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02 September 2011 @ 01:57 pm
Memnoch the Devil  
Hello, lovely people of vampire_bar! Some time year ago, I made a discussion post about the lack of telepathic connection between the maker and the fledgling in VC-verse. Now I'm wondering about yet another thing, this time the entirety of the book that is Memnoch the Devil.

From what I've gathered, there are many fans who practically hate the book and think of it as the worst one form the whole series. For many years, I couldn't share that point of view and was, in fact, on the other side of the fence. As the time passes, though, I'm beginning to see the fault in my thinking and yet I still lack enough perspective to be able to critically evaluate the book. What I liked about it was the portrayal of the character of God as the antagonist and Memnoch, the Devil, as the righteous one. It was particularly interesting when put into context with Anne Rice's relationship with Christianity. The negative points, for me, are that the book seemed self-indulgent at best and didn't really seem to fit with the rest of the series. It also didn't really bring much into the characterisation of the characters, though that's certainly just my subjective opinion.

What do you guys think? Are you one of those who hated the book? If so, what are your reasons? And if you liked it, what do you think are its positive points? I'd love to hear what everyone thinks about it so that I can put my own opinions into a perspective.

Thanks to anyone who answers.
 
 
 
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that awful velocipedestrienne: VC ➞ Fucking leechescatpaws on September 4th, 2011 12:09 pm (UTC)
Hi to you, too!

I agree with you about Dora. She seemed like such a flat character that I couldn't find it in myself to be empathetic with her or get particularly interested in her fate. When it comes to the God vs Devil relationship, though, I have to admit that I actually liked the way Anne Rice portrayed it. However, I think that was mostly because when I read the book, I was in a phase where I really liked it when people depicted the Abrahamic God in negative light. Maybe if I were to re-read the book now, I would find that certain something to be lacking in the relationship as well. I don't know.

Thinking about it now, it actually surprises me that I enjoyed the book so much, especially since I'm not that fascinated with Christianity myself and often found Anne's long ramblings about the subject in her VC books extremely tedious.

...and from there it only got worse with the following parts.

This is interesting to me. I know that it's quite common for VC fans to not like the later books, but once again, I can't share that point of view and am beginning to think that there must be something wrong with me. I mean, okay, aside from Louis, I found Merrick to not be very exciting, but I enjoyed the other books, especially Blood and Gold and The Vampire Armand. Blackwood Farm and Blood Canticle were fine. No masterpieces, but enjoyable enough. So, I'm wondering: what didn't you like about those books? I'm genuinely curious because I'm beginning to feel like I was wearing rose-coloured glasses the whole time I was reading VC.

Also, thank you for answering! I was starting to think that my post would go ignored, so your comment made me very happy.
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that awful velocipedestrienne: VC ➞ Fucking leechescatpaws on September 4th, 2011 06:25 pm (UTC)
You know, the more I think about it, the more I'm beginning to think that a very big part of my enjoyment of those later books came from the fact that I perceived them as a part of Vampire Chronicles. It's very possible that if I had read, let's say, Merrick independently and without that thought in mind, I would have hated it completely. It had a rather poor storyline. However, seeing as my beloved characters from the former books such as Louis and Lestat made appearance, I was willing to cut the book some slack.

As for those other books, I actually liked the character of Quinn and even Mona, although I was a bit annoyed by Lestat's obsession with sainthood. The Vampire Armand could have been more exciting, but there was something about the book that I loved. It was actually the first one I read of the whole series in my mother tongue and then re-read it in English later while I was reading the series in proper order. And seeing as Armand was already a familiar character to me and one I was interested in, I enjoyed the book. Same with Blood and Gold -- I really like Marius. Plus the book was super interesting to me from the, er, historical standpoint, seeing as Anne covered a really long period of time in it. I remember being really enamoured with that book because of it.

Also, I don't remember being too confused while reading Blood Canticle, even if I hadn't read anything from the Mayfair Witches series at that time. But maybe I'm just not remembering right.

Ugh, I'm so soryy for blabbering about my own opinions so much. I'm just desperate to talk to other VC fans. It's been only a year or two since I finished the series and went looking for fandom. I was so disappointed to see that it was mostly dead. (Though I'm sure that's mostly AR's fault...)

Also, your rambling is actually making lots of sense, don't worry! And I'm really excited to talk about the books with someone.
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that awful velocipedestrienne: VC ➞ Fucking leechescatpaws on September 4th, 2011 07:13 pm (UTC)
Exactly. And I mean it literally because once we were supposed to do a character study for school and I actually chose Louis. And then I wrote pages about him. Needless to say, my teacher wasn't very pleased and said that I should tone the length down in the future, haha.

That's good to hear! I was beginning to think I might be bothering you a little bit.

My mother tongue is Slovak. And now I'm interested: what's yours?

Speaking about characters, I was meaning to ask: which is your favourite character? (I think it's already pretty obvious that mine is Louis, eh.)

I looked at your profile to see which VC communities we share and it seems that aside from vc_media, I'm the member of the same ones as you. And, well, they don't seem exactly active to me... I hope I'm not missing out on some secret place, haha.

Thanks!
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that awful velocipedestrienne: VC ➞ Fucking leechescatpaws on September 5th, 2011 11:00 am (UTC)
Well, yeah, but I have to admit that what I wrote must have been a bit tedious to read. My only defence is that I was extremely excited at that time, haha.

Oh, I thought so! I saw that you had a link to some German fanfiction archive on your profile, but didn't want to jump to conclusions. I actually really like German language. I'm still just learning it, but I'm having fun while doing so.

I always kind of ignored Daniel in the books for some reason. Now I wish I hadn't. Out of curiosity, what do you like about him? For example, I actually love the name Daniel, haha. Partly because of this song, I guess.

I tried joining it, but now I realise why I haven't been a member until now: I'm not 18 yet. Though I will be in less than half a year, so I think I might join then.

Thanks and you, too!

Also, I hope you don't mind that I have added you. I feel kind of bad about it because my journals tend to be quite depressing at times and I don't post about fandom much, but it would still be great if you added me back. You don't have to, though...